Comments on: Let’s See the Hole Card

By: jana

jana — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:58:28 +0000

Since the Electoral College hasn’t “officially” made him President yet, wouldn’t failure to comply with legitimacy requirements simply forfeit his electoral votes? In which case, the victor would be the next highest vote holder?

But, then again, I’m kind of getting used to the idea of letting the children do their damage for the next two years, then having some grown-ups come to Washington and sweep up in 2010. Some CONSERVATIVE grown-ups, not the current definition of Republicans….

By: Liberty Girl

Liberty Girl — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:56:13 +0000

@no, not THAT Glenn: Oh, I can just imagine the shitstorm over calling her a Governess.

I would like to think things wouldn’t get to the Shortage Riot stage before at least a recall vote was attempted. We can’t all be utter sheep, can we?

By: no, not THAT Glenn

no, not THAT Glenn — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:35:32 +0000

dogette’s right. Hawaii’s Governor — she was visible @ RNC. (The Governor I mean; I didn’t spot dogette on the teevee.) I will not conjecture on her motives.

Why isn’t a lady Governor a Governess (large G) or isn’t that PC?

This is dead anyway. It’s too late to pursue legitimacy issues. Just contemplate a President Biden. Or scarier, a President Pelosi. Be careful what you wish for. Obama needs to watch his left. That’s where the shot will come from. That will be after the Bread Riots start. His enemies on the right are by nature law-abiding and less inclined to assassination.

By: jana

jana — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:57:08 +0000

Ted:
That is an interesting question. My husband brought up the same subject, saying that Indonesia didn’t allow dual citizenship. So did his mother relinquish his American citizenship? Or did he automatically lose it when he was adopted by his step-father? That would not have anything to do with his Birth Certificate, but it is an interesting thought, nonetheless.

My (very obvious) question, is why wouldn’t he just hand over the document and clear up an issue so easily solved? Lots of conspiracy theories running about on the web, one of which is that his father is Frank Marshall, the Communist poet, and not Barack Obama, Sr.

Again, it seems like he would put a stop to all such theories and just produce the certificate. Such an easy matter to solve…

By: Erin

Erin — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:48:16 +0000

David: to the best of my knowledge, the assumption that a child born to an American, outside the U.S. is automatically an American citizen, is not accurate.
In example, let’s assume the following:
BO Mom is American, and retains citizenship. BO Dad is not American. BO is not born in America.
Unless BO Mom, as an American Citizen, filed for an American Born Abroad birth certificate (such as Senator McCain’s parents did), then no, in that case, regardless of his mother being an American citizen, BO is NOT.
This may not be accurate in every situation, however – I have only been exposed to this type of situation in terms of military dependents born abroad.
Dogette, if I remember correctly, the Governor of Hawaii introduced Governor Palin at the primaries. So I think she is a Republican. Then again, they let Liebermann in, so I could be wrong.
Conspiracy or not (and I’m NOT a fan of conspiracies these days, like we don’t have enough proven sh*t to deal with), the whole thing stinks. No matter which way you look at it. Pee Ewwww.

By: Liberty Girl

Liberty Girl — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:45:13 +0000

Concealing something like this would require a rather large conspiracy…and the sad fact is more than three people just can’t keep a secret. So, while it looks really bad (not to mention plain old stupid) to clam up about something like this, there’s probably nothing awry.

I will happily consume those words with the condiment of your choice should I be proven wrong.

Dogette: From my reading of the article, it sounded like she sealed it mainly against press query. Irritating, but not illegal or shady. I guess.

By: dogette

dogette — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:16:42 +0000

WTH is up with Lingle? She’s a Republican, I believe.

By: David

David — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 06:18:13 +0000

Ah ha, DW’s point #2. Has the legwork on Mother Obama’s travel itinerary been done?

For that matter, can anyone find the doctors or nurses at Hawaii General (or whatever) who did the delivery? I imagine there were medical records, billing records, a bed that was filled, maybe pharmacy records, people who want to brag that they delivered a president, etc. You know, circumstantial evidence.

By: D.W.

D.W. — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 03:07:24 +0000

As I recall, the controversy revolves mainly around two points:

1) His grandmother says he was born in Kenya (to this day!), but his mother says he was born in Hawaii.

2) If he was born in Kenya, as apparently is possible, then his mother may have been out of the country too long before his birth for him to be a citizen (there was a loophole at the time about time spent in the U.S. before the birth of a child)

It’s all kind of weird to me, but as most of you have said, it’s really time for him to put up or shut up on this matter. Hiding his birth records is a very bad idea. Besides, he’s going to have much bigger things to deal with soon.

By: Ted Bronson

Ted Bronson — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 01:14:05 +0000

Question for one and all: If his father is Kenyan, and his mother American, but he went to school in Indonesia, which doesn’t allow non-citizens to enroll, did he renounce his citizenship in order to do so?